WHAT TO DO IF YOUR BOOTH POLICY STATES YOU MUST INSURE YOUR ITEM UP UNTIL $100.00, if you want...

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Posted by treasurefindings, CT. 185 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

Has anyone else had this happen to them? Someone had purchased an item under $100.00, where it states in our booth policy that you must insure items purchased under $100.00, if you want to, but we are not responsible for anything less than $100.00, and customer gets it and says it got crushed in transit, what would you do? They mailed the item back to me and it is indeed damaged, but what else do I need to do in my booth policies or elsewhere to protect items when buyers don’t purchase insurance for items under $100.00? It also states in our booth policy that anything purchased over $100.00 we would automatically pick up the insurance. So, what would any of you do? She wrote lies in emails to Google base, and I need to straighten this out. Any ideas?

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Debbie
customerservice@TreasureFindings.com

 
Posted by pugs, Baton Rouge, LA. 19,409 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

all mine over $25 have to be insured

so, anything I list over that I include it in the shipping cost to begin with and state it in the listing

since we do not do invoices and there was no way for the buyer to add it…well, she couldn’t

and even if you stated optional and put in your listing it was to be bought and she didn’t

you are the seller, you are the one on the hook… insurance is to cover you not them

it was your responsibility to purchase it… paid for by them or not… it is up to you to get it there in one piece

they have returned the item and now give the refund

 
Posted by sacredheartrosaries, Cooke County, TX. 1,019 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

Hi, Debbie…

I would either lower your forced insurance to $50 or force insurance on ALL items. I noticed you had some low price items that are breakables. I would force insurance on any breakables like this item…

You can’t replace something like that!

Good luck and God bless! Robyn

 
Posted by Vintagemaven, Long Island, NY. 4,412 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

Hi
here is my 2 cents on this.

You should either require insurance as part of your listing with the buyer paying for it or pay for it yourself in the future.

A seller is responsible to get the item to the buyer intact.
Things do happen in transit, so if you can not afford to take the loss, insure the items.

If you received your item back and it is damaged, you should refund the buyer to make them whole again.

That is what I would do.
Good luck

 
Posted by pugs, Baton Rouge, LA. 19,409 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

it is best to just include it in the shipping cost and state that it is there

 
Posted by alicesisk, Franklin, TN. 143 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

If you send anything that if fragile or prone to damage, it is a good idea to have it insured. I have included the cost of postage in the price of most of my items. The fee that shows in my postage price is the cost of insurance. I am slowly editing my listings to show free shipping and then choosing insurance as either optional or required.
I would think that if you have it in your policies that shipping under $100 is optional that when they checked out, they ELECTED not to insure the package. If that is the case, then I do not think you are liable for the damage.
Of course, they are going to leave you less than stellar feedback for packaging since the item was damaged.
You will have to decide what their feedback is worth to you.
Just my opinion.
You might want to amend your shipping policy to state that if the buyer chooses not to purchase insurance when it is offered that any damage will not be covered by you and will not be cause for negative feedback. (They will probably leave it, anyway.)
Alice Sisk, Something Old

SOMETHING OLD-Fine vintage silver, porcelain, glass, linens & laces
http://www.bonanzle.com/booths/alicesisk

Something Old, Vintage Desirables
 
Posted by mypiy, Salem, VA. 2,219 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

I have always had a disclaimer that states Insurance is Optional and if you choose NOT to insure your item then I am not responsible for loss or damage by the USPS , when you buy you acknowledge and understand this

mypiy's booth
 
Posted by Frantasia, . 5,852 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

I don’t require insurance, it is optional if they buyer should request it. However, every item I ship is shipped with Delivery Confirmation.

 
Posted by pugs, Baton Rouge, LA. 19,409 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

but fran — that wont cover you if it really gets lost or it is damaged… if you do not insure you are responsible for the cost of the item should something happen

mypiy .. disclaimers are not valid … YOU ARE responsible.. insurance is to protect you… just have it covered in the shipping cost or be prepared to cover the cost

 
Posted by Shelak, CO. 512 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

This has happened to me and in order to protect my feedback I refunded their money… it hurt but it saved my feedback scores. this was on -bay when I sold there.

I quote the current USPS costs for the particular item… usually around 1.50 – 1.80 most people don’t mind paying it.

I require insurance on ALL breakable items… and shiping costs/insurance are non refundable.

Also I state this policy on ALL my items descriptions, so its there on everything…

1 bad feedback can ruin your good seller reputation…

Sheila

 
Posted by ShopaholicWhoMe, Warm Beach, Washington State. 7,046 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

This is what I would do,First of all, Is that disclaimer written in the listing or only in your booth policy page? If it is in your listing, Then I would copy and paste that information in your response to Google Checkout merchants account explaining your booth policy.

If it is only in your booth policy page, Then you may have a problem, Maybe. But I doubt it, If a buyer does not purchase insurance then they will have to prove that you fail to package the item properly, Which will be hard to prove since you have the item.

I always do what is right regardless of the insurance situation, You would be the only one who knows if the item was packaged correctly, So just do what is right.

I had a buyer who won and item on Feebay and after receipt of 10 days wrote that she wanted to return the item, There was a no return policy on the item, When I refuse, She filed a claim with PayPal, Lied that the item was dirty, PayPal sided with us and said we had fulfilled our side of the auction, So just make sure you cross all your T’s and dot all your I’s, Good luck

 
Posted by sacredheartrosaries, Cooke County, TX. 1,019 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

Also, here’s another tip on the ‘policy’ thing. Just because you list something in your ‘policy’ doesn’t mean someone read it.

I know a lot of people don’t read policies.

You have to have a disclaimer on every item. This way they will see it with the item.

For example… I use to work for a bank handling the Visa/MC merchants (people who accepted credit cards). They are told by V/MC to put their V/MC signage, return policy, etc. on the slip you had to sign. If the merchant did not want to do refunds, the words no refunds had to be right near where you sign the credit card receipt. Merchants would tell me… ‘but it was on the register’. True, but the customer will say, ‘I didn’t see it’. V/MC will side will side with the customer EVERY TIME.

COVER YOURSELF… list important policy info on every listing. (interestingly, something I also don’t do.)

God bless!

 
Posted by mypiy, Salem, VA. 2,219 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

OHHH Heck yea delivery confirmation is a defient! I have had people try to pull that trick of I never got my stuff

mypiy's booth
 
Posted by Frantasia, . 5,852 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

Pugs:

I agree with you. But not a fair policy IMO. Why should a seller be responsible if a buyer does not want to insure their purchase?

Additionally, with shipping costs being as high as they are, to incorporate insurance costs which increases the total shipping cost, might just turn buyers away.

It’s a tough decision.

 
Posted by ShopaholicWhoMe, Warm Beach, Washington State. 7,046 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

I won’t do only a delivery conf. on more expensive item, I’ll spend a couple of bucks to require a signature to protect for items not received claims.

 
Posted by AComfyNight, NV. 31 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

It really doesnt matter what your policy states, You are responsible for getting the item safely to your customer, You should include the cost of insurance in your shipping cost on that item.

sorry this happened to you

 
Posted by Frantasia, . 5,852 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

@warmbeach777:

I agree with that 100%…I had just sold a wristwatch, and insured it out of my own pocket.

I am referring more to the lesser-cost items.

@pugs: I also don’t understand why a “Disclaimer” isn’t valid? I know that you are just expressing the “rule of thumb”, but if a seller states that they are not responsible should an item be lost or damaged, and the buyer didn’t purchase insurance, that, IMO is wrongo!

The item listing should contain the terms of that particular item. If a buyer wants insurance, I feel they should pay for it.

 
Posted by ShopaholicWhoMe, Warm Beach, Washington State. 7,046 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

I totally disagree with the idea that the seller is require to deliver the item in one piece to the buyer, Common sence says buyer must insure items against loss or damage.I’ve heard this argument before.You are required to properly package the item so as to withstand normal handling by the carrier.There is no way you can control how you item is abused during transit to the buyer.

 
Posted by sacredheartrosaries, Cooke County, TX. 1,019 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

pugs, it’s not that disclaimers are not valid; it’s that everyone wants a happy customer and a return customer.

Disclaimers ARE valid, but do you want to lose the customer or go to small claims court, which can happen.

Do you disregard the policies (disclaimers) at a physical store? No, but if you don’t have your receipt, YOU WILL NOT GET CASH. You will probably get store credit. If you go to a store that says… all sales final. Are you going to go back and try to get a refund? You can try, but you won’t get it. You would have to go further to try to get it… small claims or if you have a credit card, go through your card company.

I do agree, however, cover yourself with insurance. (I don’t always. I probably should. If the order is high dollar or irreplaceable or the person was difficult to deal with, I will definitely add insurance.)

My suggestion is this… if this incident is going to cost you your reputation, settle it however the customer wants. Your reputation as a seller is more important than your pride. Then chalk it up to a lesson learned.

God bless!

 
Posted by luvmytiedyes, MO. 858 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

Pugs and AComfyNight are absolutely correct. It is the sellers responsiblity to get the item safely to the buyer and the sellers responsiblity to have the insurance. Not the buyer.

 
Posted by sofyblu2, Fraser,MI, The best of the best!. 14,089 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

All our booths require that insurance be purchased. Make up your shipping profiles under the advanced tab, that way when they check out they are automatically charged. Just note that if they make multiple purchases you MUST adjust the total insurance that has been added. Right now it will charge the insurance price to each item.

sofyblu2
 
Posted by AvocadoLane, Miami, FL. 3,569 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

You can put any disclaimer in there you want to and still PP with side with the buyer on a claim because you are responsible for getting the item to the buyer intact. They can dispute the condition or say it is dirty and could lose as long as you have good pictures and description, etc., but if it is damaged/broken before they receive it or they do not receive it, they almost always win.

I personally agree with Vintagemaven’s post. I would refund and hope that with the good service the buyer would do business with me again. I try to look at as if I were a buyer, and I would be very disappointed to receive a damaged item and then be forced to fight for a refund. I would also be much more likely to shop with the seller again if they handled the situation in a pleasant manner.

 
Posted by pugs, Baton Rouge, LA. 19,409 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

it’s a matter of legality .. in this case when it comes to internet sales and shipping… a disclaimer is not valid

the shipper is responsible .. not the buyer and not the post office.. the PO is only if you have the insurance

easy solution… put the insurance cost in the shipping or be prepared to take the financial loss

 
Posted by Frantasia, . 5,852 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

@mypiy:

Bingo! Same has happened to me. Hence, the Delivery Confirmation.

 
Posted by featherbryte, Festus, MO. 805 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

Oh wow – I learn something new here all the time. What happens if the buyer doesn’t like a color in person though? With nail polish, I can’t refund money due to sanitary reasons so if the buyer receives it in good condition but doesn’t like the color, would a “no refund due to personal sanitary reasons” disclaimer be valid?

 
Posted by wallyh, Cincinnati, OH. 9,006 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

So many points of view. Interesting also.

 
Posted by pugs, Baton Rouge, LA. 19,409 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

feather - that is sort of buyers remorse ..but, if you want a happy customer you just have to eat the cost IMO.. sorry

but yes, a disclaimer about buyers remorse or not liking the color is valid , you can say it… but, if they file SNAD with PP you will have to refund anyway

 
Posted by Frantasia, . 5,852 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

If you are selling a $2.00 item, how in the world can you be expected to pay the insurance cost also? According to my calculations, you would take a loss.

 
Posted by pugs, Baton Rouge, LA. 19,409 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

dont fran .. I only do it for items over $25 .. anything under I am accepting the responsibility and would … and have.. refunded

and the insurance is in the shipping .. unless high ticket then I foot the insurance

 
Posted by CURIOUS-GOODS, The Nothing, . 1,342 total posts | Posted almost 4 years ago

I always require insurance on everything. If they don’t want to they don’t buy. The seller loses out on that one and some buyers don’t care so it’s best to insure everything.

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